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SALVIA-COMMUNITY.net _ International _ Growing Your Own Salvia Divinorum Seeds: A Guide.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 13 2006, 01:38

I wanted to ask all european salvia growers to try the simple instructions on my webpage:

http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/

I would be pleased to help. I speak english only but I put a "Babelfish Translation" module there that probably would be hilarious to read from. I have loved 'herbs' a LONG time (I'm 50).

My simply made Webpages:

http://members.cox.net/thegarden/index.html smile.gif

http://members.cox.net/hummertime/index.shtml laugh.gif

http://members.cox.net/theluckyleprechaun/index.html biggrin.gif

http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/index.shtml wink.gif

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 13 2006, 10:16

Welcome to Salvia Community,

very nice and interesting pages! good.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 13 2006, 14:11

Thank you.

Geschrieben von: Remus Oct 13 2006, 14:18

this is rly nice, you seem to be very experienced.

Geschrieben von: AliceD Oct 13 2006, 16:42

Yes, really nice!

Geschrieben von: Fischkopf_III Oct 13 2006, 17:44

Hey, that´s very interesting! Maybe i´ll try it, when my Growbox is empty again mrgreen.gif

Geschrieben von: Katzenjunge Oct 14 2006, 15:09

Thank you!
Your guide is exactly what I needed for my crossing experiments. If my plants induce flowers I will cross them with another Salvia plant. What do you think, is this possible? Maybe you have literature about this topic?
(sorry for my bad english rolleyes.gif)

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 15 2006, 04:01

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Yes! I know the Grower in Santa Barbara named "Jupe" and He has Racemes (Flower Spikes) on Blosser and HoffmanWasson strains. And MAYBE his Luna will flower, Too.

If he grabs a Flower from Luna & rubs it on a HW or Blossers Stigma he COULD get the Very First "Hybid Strain SEEDS" from those flowers calices when they are 'done'.

Or YOU Could! Yes! I Speak no German but Your English is VERY Good.

If you take the Stamens from ONE Strain of Salvia and Wipe them on the Stigmas of a Different type of Salvia you get Hybrid Salvia Seeds!

They are VERY VERY Rare: but very easy to get if you have more than one strain salvia growing.

All the Wild (Outdoor) Salvia's around the Northern Hemisphere are Starting to put up flower stalks UNLESS too Much Artificial Lights Disturb them at night. Those plants do not bloom: but any plant getting MORE than 12 Hours of Darkness a night WILL be preparing to flower at this time.

This Is Why the Page is Started now. Why should I be the only one to grow good seeds?

They happened wild on Hawaii last year: bees did it and Somebody gathered Seeds from plants 8 feet tall there. (Salvia LIKES Hawaii: it's Tropical!) I find from research and by doing it myself that Salvia EASILY sets seeds: it needs a warm location (around 60? F) so the flowers don't freeze and fall off (45 degrees F maybe). (and 4 weeks ripening time.)

I put the Pictures of EVERYTHING I've done with Salvia (Except using it as an Aphrodisiac) - growing wise - on this Webpage: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/.

(Picture 1) I bring it home from the Nursery.
I brought home 'a square stick' and It's the Mother of ALL the Salvia in my Garden. White Grubs ALMOST killed her but I found out what was happening and bought Nematodes. So I'll get seeds from SOME of my Salvia Trees this year (Maybe in the Hundreds)

So, I wanted YOU to find out How easy it is.

If you set the timers on the Lights so you get 12 1/2 hours of Dark and 11 1/2 hours of light you will in a month see the Starting signs of Flower Spikes forming. in 3 - 4 weeks the flower buds start to open. You keep wiping every day and check for changing Calices with seeds in them in 3 - 4 weeks after then. You put Tiny baggies over the Calyx to protect against loss of seeds. Seeds are VERY Tiny. you can harvest seeds for 2 or 3 months then spring makes them stop it (Or you reverse the lights so they can grow more like it is spring.)

Anyone growing indoors could "Force" her to make LOTS of Flowers TWO Times a Year. You could make Money and improve the Species at the same time.

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QUOTE(Katzenjunge @ Oct 14 2006, 07:09)
Thank you!
Your guide is exactly what I needed for my crossing experiments. If my plants induce flowers I will cross them with another Salvia plant. What do you think, is this possible? Maybe you have literature about this topic?
(sorry for my bad english  rolleyes.gif)
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Mr. Valdéz in Michigan did it in 1980 I think:

http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes87.html

On this Page: he pollinated 14 Flowers - And 4 produced over a Dozen seeds!

How they Grew it.

What they Discovered about forcing flowers from S. Divinorum in Growth Chambers.

Plants shorter than a Half Meter WILL Bloom!

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More pages in English that are VERY Useful:

http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes94.html

http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes83.html

Those two I call "White man meets talking plant"

Essential: http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html

Beautiful: http://www.sagewisdom.org/pharmakopoeia.html

My Picture on His Web Site: http://www.sagewisdom.org/hummingbird.html

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You'll See it on my Web Site: http://members.cox.net/hummertime/index.shtml

And Other Hummingbird Pictures made by me:

Bild: http://members.cox.net/hummertime/picturefiles/11.gif

Bild: http://members.cox.net/hummertime/picturefiles/4.gif

Bild: http://members.cox.net/hummertime/picturefiles/7.gif

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Salvia IS an Aphrodisiac, Oh YES! w00t.png

Geschrieben von: Fischkopf_III Oct 15 2006, 10:48

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Yes!  I know the Grower in Santa Barbara named "Jupe" and He has Racemes (Flower Spikes) on Blosser and HoffmanWasson strains. And MAYBE his Luna will flower, Too.

I think he´s talking about crossing differnt Salvia species, and not the different Salvia Divinorum strains.

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And Other Hummingbird Pictures made by me:

lol! Would be nice to have such birds in Germany too. I like them! mrgreen.gif

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Salvia IS an Aphrodisiac, Oh YES!   w00t.png

I know!! And it´s very powerful w00t.png

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 15 2006, 18:03

Fish Head 3: Thank you for Clairifing my Understanding. (Pardon: My English is bad sometimes biggrin.gif too.)

In Germany the Bees would do it: But I think it is too cold to grow salvia outside there in the winter. Bee hives are discouraged indoors: they Quickly learn to raid the Fridge. That: or install those flap type bee doors so they can come and go as they needed. biggrin.gif

I Don't know if Divinorum will accept pollen of other sages. I Don't know if Other Sages will accept Divinorum Pollen. I Encourage you to try. If you get a New cross sage with Psychotropic Properties you will be very famous. The World will beat a path to your door and I'll be in that rush! I've heard rumors that S. Splendens has Psychotropic properties - try Crossing those two Species!

Bear in mind Salvia D. Pollen is Microscopically small: try to use Other Sage Species that have invisible pollen. If the pollen grains are visible they probably won't fit into the Microscopically small Pollen Channels down the Style in the Pistil of Salvia Divinorum. Likewise I wonder if S. Divinorums' tiny pollen wouldn't 'get lost' in a Larger Pollen Channel and fail to make it to the Ovaries.

The Reason I cannot point him to a Page is that I think he's the first to try.

Very Commendable. I wish him Luck.

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 15 2006, 18:24

In Germany it is very difficult to get salvia divinorum to flower. Its only possible indoors or in a heated greenhouse. Outdoors the Plants begin to flower in the late autumn, when it ist too cold for the plants for producing viable seeds.

Geschrieben von: Fischkopf_III Oct 15 2006, 18:41

I think my Salvia-Plants start to flower at the moment. At their heads (don´t know, wheather it´s the right word) they get strange tentacles (don´t know the right word for it too ^^), which don´t seem to be young leaves. Unfortunaly I don´t have enough time to try to bring them to a right flower. cwy.png

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 15 2006, 19:43

Yes: your plants are following their Instincts.

You are growing indoors through a Window getting Natural Light, Right?

It is Starting to look like this:
Bild: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/picturefiles/30.jpg

The ends of the Branches look like this, Right:
Bild: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/picturefiles/19.jpg

You have Flower Spikes Forming. In a Month you will have flowers starting out. You do not have to do anything except keep away TOO much Light at Night. If Plant is DARK over 12 hours a Day it will try flowering soon: you do not do anything but watch and Flowers will happen Anyway. When Flowers bloom you wipe flower parts together: then you watch MORE. then in 4 Weeks you get a Present off your Plant and America & Germany celebrates your Good Fortune.

Is this the first year this plant has Flowered? The Flowers smell very sweet. Good to eat after they fall off (The part that holds seeds is still on the Plant).

You will have to play 'Hummingbird and Bee' with your Salvia Plants this Year biggrin.gif She will give you a NICE Christmas Present.

I AM Delighted I came at this time to this Forum!

Nothing is Random Chance, Eh?

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 15 2006, 19:56

Last year, I had a few salvia divinorum plants, they began to flower. But it was too cold, so they all died, but only the flowering plants cwy.png

So I think, that flowering plants need more heat to survive:

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 15 2006, 20:24

Hogie:

Salvia Plants Can't stand Frost.

They are a Tropical Plant.

Yes You DID have flowers last year I SEE.

I AM Sorry they died.

They will live in a Garage or Closet in a Pot if you give them light and Fertilizer.

Keep her from freezing until spring then outside for the Summer!

Best to you.

Carl

PS Salvia Grows Best in a Bigger Pot. Mine likes 15 " to 24 " pots. GOOD Drainage: let Soil dry out on top between waterings. Fertilize weekly Miracle-Gro. Keep from Frost. They will Last MANY Many years.

Geschrieben von: dARK_gRIFFON Oct 15 2006, 20:26

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Wo war das denn? Ist dieser Raum nicht geheizt?
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//edit by hogie:

@dark griffon: please answer in English only wink.gif

No, this room was not heated, because it was not used. This was the reason, that Salvia could flower, because the necessary dark periods were granted.

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 15 2006, 20:36

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Oct 15 2006, 21:24)
Salvia Plants Can't stand Frost.

Yes, I know. The temperature was about +4..6 °C (39..43 °F). All the flowering plants died, the other non-flowering plants survived blink.gif

Maybe I´ll make a new experiment in the future under artificial light. The only Problem is, that salvia D. only flowers in rooms, where you never brake the dark period.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 15 2006, 20:53

Thank You Hogie: Your Forum is very Friendly.

It's OK for the Lights to be on for 5 or 10 Minutes to water or Feed in the Night time. The Cat sets security Lights off All night (it goes out after a minute.). My Plants blooming anyways.

Salvia is a Sound Sleeper. biggrin.gif (grins at silly joke)

I Wish you best of Luck.

Carl

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 15 2006, 21:05

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Oct 15 2006, 21:53)
It's OK for the Lights to be on for 5 or 10 Minutes to water or Feed in the Night time. The Cat sets security Lights off All night (it goes out after a minute.).  My Plants blooming anyways.
Salvia is a Sound Sleeper.  biggrin.gif  (grins at silly joke)


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It sounds very interesting for an experiment under artificial light. Salvia d. flowers look and smell very good. But for new seeds we should use differrent flowering clones. At this moment in Europe other clones than Wasson/Hoffmann are very rare.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 16 2006, 15:42

Hi Hogie,

Because of "Genetic Crossover" at the Chromosomes in the First stage of (Gamete) Pollen/Seeds formation: even seeds fertilized by their own Flowers pollen are considered to be Genetically Uniqe Individuals, as recessive traits can come through.

More Later I have a Meeting.

Best, Carl

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October 16th, 2006.

I've updated My Web Site.

I've got Mr. Daniel Siebert to Agree to SELL the Seeds we grow, any of us, Directly from his Web Site. http://sagewisdom.org .

I've Already got some of my work published on his Web Site: http://sagewisdom.org/hummingbird.html (he asked if he could use this .....)

I've brokered a Distribution Deal to sell the Seeds.

Thank you Guys for your Consideration: I hope a Few of you TRY to get Seeds. Maybe you Could Spread the Word this Page Exists?

Many Blessings on your Salvia Gardens!

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 20 2006, 23:43

Would one of you Kind people use the Bablefish German Flag to translate the english on that page to German? I'd Like a German speaking person to HONESTLY tell me Exactly HOW Bad the Translation really is ...

Perhaps you know of a Better translation service I could put there Instead?

And If TOO Much of the page meaning is lost then maybe I can Improve the english grammer so it can translate better?

Or Maybe the instructions can still be understood but in fractured German? Just let me know: is the Translation offered by my Page USUABLE?

Many Thanks!

Carl

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Geschrieben von: neid0 Oct 21 2006, 01:20

sorry Sea Mac but thats really bad german^^

Geschrieben von: zirdd Oct 21 2006, 06:01

Somehow I cought first sight at this thread a bit late but it blows me completely off in a positive way.

So interesting to have an experienced "user" in here.
Will take some closer looks at your pages, that is for sure sure!

Cheers....

Btw, thats the "humming bird" we get to see here.

Bild: http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7568/taubenschwanz01ah7.jpg

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 24 2006, 03:07

QUOTE(neid0 @ Oct 20 2006, 17:20)
sorry Sea Mac but thats really bad german^^
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I thought as Much. I will have to rely on the Pictures to tell the Story for me then.

Today I replaced 1 old Picture from last year:
Bild: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/picturefiles/19.jpg

with 3 Shiny Crisp NEW Ones.
(These are just the Linking THUMBNAILS!):
Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1At.jpg

Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1Bt.jpg

Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1Ct.jpg

If you want to See the Full Size Linked Images you can Visit my Research Page: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/ or try these Links:

http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1A.jpg

http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1B.jpg

http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sign1C.jpg

As My Garden 'does it's natural thing' again this year I shall replace old Low-Rez pictures with better ones.

Thank You for Suffering through my poor english grammer translated into even worse German ....

(Ah, yes: the Moth! Hummingbirds only fly by day: they Estivate (Hybernate) at night ...)

And Hummingbirds don't have Antenna ..... (unless they are wearing 'Dealy-Boppers")

Geschrieben von: Fischkopf_III Oct 24 2006, 18:56

Wow! They´re way better!!
BTW: Thanks for all these information. It´s important to even share it between the borders of our language tongue.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 24 2006, 20:34

QUOTE(Fischkopf_III @ Oct 24 2006, 10:56)
Wow! They´re way better!!
BTW: Thanks for all these information. It´s important to even share it between the borders of our language  tongue.gif
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Thank You. Last year at this Time all I had was a Ricoh RDC-6000 (2.1 Megapixel) Camera. The Optics leave a Lot to be Desired.

This year I bought an Olympus FE-180 SPECIFICALLY so I could do an EXCELLENT Job of Photo Documenting the ENTIRE Salvia Divinorum Flowering/Seeding Cycle.

16 days ago the first of my Plants to Show Signs: I've got Pictures of the Very Tiniest of Raceme Buds starting at Branch ends. I'm going to Try to Get "Exact Replacements" of these Shots but THIS Year with a Much Better Camera.

In a Couple of Months I should Have some Super Clear Macros of Seeds Ripening up in the Plant, Like this one:
Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/sexcycle.jpg
Only REALLY Sharp & Clear

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Thanks again Guys ...

Geschrieben von: hogie Oct 24 2006, 20:43

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Oct 24 2006, 21:34)
I'm going to Try to Get "Exact Replacements" of these Shots but THIS Year with a Much Better Camera.

This is a very good idea. good.gif

A few good photographs can tell us stories and are international without (the terrible) babelfish-translations. Maybe the babelfish-translations can help some people, but they are very bad sick.png

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 25 2006, 02:28

QUOTE(hogie @ Oct 24 2006, 12:43)
QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Oct 24 2006, 21:34)
I'm going to Try to Get "Exact Replacements" of these Shots but THIS Year with a Much Better Camera.

This is a very good idea. good.gif

A few good photographs can tell us stories and are international without (the terrible) babelfish-translations. Maybe the babelfish-translations can help some people, but they are very bad sick.png
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The Photographs from last year are Marginal: the GOOD Photographs will Clearly tell the Story of THIS YEARS Seeds (Ongoing) as I get them.

The Next replacement Pictures will be in a Week, or 2 at Most, as the Racemes Lenghten out and prepare their Verticillasters .... Those Pictures will be for "Signpost 2".

You just look in every week on my Page ... Things Will Start Popping soon.

I'm Glad you guys speak English Well enough for me to Communicate ....

And YOU get to watch the WHOLE Story Unfold right before your Eyes over the Next 3 Months .....

It will look easy enough that you will want to do it yourself next year ....

Carl

Geschrieben von: neid0 Oct 25 2006, 20:05

hehe, we try it^^

Geschrieben von: AliceD Oct 29 2006, 14:33

Hi!

I want to know why my SD doesn't bloom sad.gif

Informations:

- Natural light (under the roof with large windows)
- not to cold
- no other light influences
- enough minerals in soil
- very big plants

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 7 2006, 00:06

Neid0: I wish you good luck in trying for seeds. If you get flowers you can get seeds. It does not hurt to try .... The Plants in your Signature are Big enough to want to bloom: don't let the room lights keep them up at night or they will never bloom for you. (I hope you have seen the Flowers starting to form by now. My Friend Jupe in Santa Barbara has flowers already.) Speaking of JUPE - Master gardener that he IS: I know you will like looking at his Salvia Divinorum Garden!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18011813@N00/sets/72057594118070116/
HIS Plants are IN the EARTH and Cannot be Moved. They are Liking This a LOT: they have Escaped his Control!!!

Look UP:
Bild: http://static.flickr.com/24/62191370_9c13990839_b.jpg
Look WAY Up! The Bottoms of Salvia Leaves stare back down at YOU!
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Crazy Cheese: the ONLY thing I can think of that prevents Blooming is Light interference at night.

this research paper http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes87.html

Shows they forced short (Less than 0.5 Meter tall) plants to bloom just by making sure they only got 11 Hours of light. (My Experience is that WHENEVER the Dark period is longer than the light period she blooms.)

I have had a few other people ask me this. I have a Plan .....

Put your Plant away in a DARK Place like a Cupboard or Pantry or Broom Closet or Garage or Clothes Locker - Some place where temprature is no less than 40 degrees F. and it is entirely LIGHT Proof. Put it away at the same time every day no matter if it is Still Light outside and bring it out of its overnight 'sleeping mask' at the same time every day (Close to Dawn) so the plant can ONLY see light for 11 1/2 hours a day.

In a Couple of months you will see the signs of flower stalks preparing.

I have found it does not take very much man made light to upset them. Just looking at a Streetlight through the windows may keep them awake.

House lights are OK if only used for 2 Minutes at a Time not too many times a Night. Indoors can get a lot of light leakage from family areas: this is why Putting your plant in a DARK Closet is such a Genius Idea. Make SURE there is no light under closet door or around edges. It's OK to open closet to get shawl or Jacket and then turn off light and Close closet - that takes a minute.

And even if your plant grows slowly and it may take months to fully flower: as LONG as you are putting it Somewhere WARM and DARK 12 1/2 Hours a Day EACH DAY you TRICK the Plant to think it is Fall again (Still / Forever) and it will STAY Blooming all year around even in Summer! You will just Bring it in the same time as in the FALL (even lose an hour or two of growing time in the Summer) and it thinks it's in eternal winter.

If you see NO CHANGE in your plant within a Couple of Months you must "Reset" it by making it think summer is back. You put a light near it and give it a Couple EXTRA Hours of Light After your local sunset (In the living area is bright enough to keep it up late at night.) for about 6 weeks and let it have a "Summertime". Then you suddenly one day just start up with Solitaire Confinement in the afternoons again and blooming will be triggered.

I think you ARE Keeping your plant up late with outside Light from SOMEWHERE. It just isn't dark enough - that's the ONLY reason I know of that Salvia doesn't bloom in the Fall ....

If it's Cycle is still in 'Summertime & Growing' put it in a DARKENED Closet for two months at night WITHOUT Fail (You can only MISS one day ...) to make it feel like fall is here: it follows it's instincts and Flowers then.

Good Growing,

Carl McCall

If it is Dark enough (that you could trip over the plant not seeing it) already then it is a Mystery I do not know the Answer to.

Geschrieben von: AliceD Nov 7 2006, 16:39

Hi!

Thanks a lot for the informations! But I'm 100% sure that there are (under the roof) no other light influences. Just daylight! There are no streetlamps (window side is to the garden)... mhh but today i found this at one plant:

http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=knospecd4.jpg

Is this a small bud?

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 7 2006, 17:27

QUOTE(CC @ Nov 7 2006, 08:39)
Hi!

Thanks a lot for the informations! But I'm 100% sure that there are (under the roof) no other light influences. Just daylight! There are no streetlamps (window side is to the garden)... mhh but today i found this at one plant:

http://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=knospecd4.jpg

Is this a small bud?

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YES! This is the VERY first Sign that Blooming has Begun! Smaller Plants Grow slower and The Sunlight is not as Strong in more northern Lattitudes so I will be at Least a Month before flower buds grow out of this.

What will happen now up until about Christmas time is this Thing Will stretch out into a LONG Stalk as it Grows and Along this Stalk (Called A Raceme) rings of Flower buds in 'layers' (Called Verticillasters) will develop.

The Growing Guide has Pictures of this Process you are now in.

Your Plant has "Signpost One" like mine did 3 weeks ago. Look to the Pictures on this page to see how things will develop: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/

You may be the First recorded person in Germany to produce Salvia Divinorum Seeds & mail them to http://sagewisdom.org (he will sell them for you if you do not wish to grow them: he will confirm you are the first in Germany by inspecting them under his Microscope and Mail them back otherwise.)

Salvia Divinorum seeds are bigger than Poppy Seeds and Smaller than Sesame Seeds and are Dark Brown. You can get 1 to 4 Seeds (Usually 4) per flower that sets seeds. One of the things we DON'T Know about Salvia Divinorum is what percent of pollinated flowers SET Seeds so I invite you to keep track of how many you pollinated and How many eventually set seeds.

You DO have the BEGINNING of a Raceme there .... If it Grows fast enough it will bloom before winter is over ......

Happy Pollinating ...

Carl McCall

PS about that Closet: never mind. You'll ONLY want to trick her into 'Forever Winter' if you want her to bloom all year arond and Sell Seeds in the "off season". If your Plant Grows VERY Slowly it may take months before flowers appear (and by then the flower season will be over and she will quit unfinished) so you might want to think about tricking her if Spring is Coming and the Flowers aren't ready yet.

But now you know you plant is "NORMAL" and feels the natural urge all SALVIA DIVINORUM Plants feel in the northern hemisphere to BLOOM in the Fall. Watch this Thing on your Plant grow long and 'unwind' and develop rings of Buds and then Bloom for you: and Keep that Camera Handy!

Lucky You: the First thing before seeds is Flowers - the first thing before flowers is what you've got now ....

Geschrieben von: neid0 Nov 7 2006, 21:11

yeah,CC!!!
thats very cool!!!
i hope my salvia will be blooming that way!!!
(next year^^)


peace
neid0

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 7 2006, 21:22

QUOTE(neid0 @ Nov 7 2006, 13:11)
yeah,CC!!!
thats very cool!!!
i hope my salvia will be blooming that way!!!
(next year^^)


peace
neid0
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I have a One foot tall Plant that is TRYING but it grows so Slowly it may flower in June rolleyes.gif

If you look at my Web page a cutting Started while it was in Water.

If you don't have interfering lights you should see a Bloom start TOO.

Geschrieben von: hogie Nov 7 2006, 23:35

This evening I was astonished, to see many plants they begin to flower. But under natural conditions it will be too cold for the plants during the next months to get viable seeds. There is the problem: Salvia plants only flower in unused rooms (because of the light cycle).

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 9 2006, 06:47

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Today I looked out the Window and ONE of my Plants snuck 2 Flowers out of a Short Raceme. Surprise! They want to Bloom NOW! I thought not for another week at least.
I ran outside with my Camera. The Early Flowers are not ripe looking - they are small and the Calyx is still yellow green: not Purple yet.

Hogie: I'd like to see those flowers. If you Pollinate today you may get seeds in 24 days! Too soon for frost to kill them (3 weeks to ripen - If you start now you'll get a Few seeds from frost dead plants in a month.)

You can put an Electric Blanket around the pot to keep it from freezing and the Plant Dying before you get seeds from them. Even if your Plant dies you'll have seeds to grow new one with ....

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I saw your pictures from last year: you COULD get some seeds if you try it this year. It won't cost you anything to try but a Few Extra Minutes a Day. I think you will be Successful but we will never know if you don't try.

CrazyCheese: you have a VERY good Chance to get ripe seeds before Chinese new years.

Neid0: you watch the growing ends of your Plants Carefully. You will see something NOT like Leaves coming out in weeks: UNLESS you have Lights Interfering with them at night. The Plants in your Signature will start to bloom before Christmas if all they get is Natural light - They ARE Big enough to Bloom THIS YEAR. I have 3 cuttings that were removed from the Same plant October 4th - 5th and had NO Sign of buds on them that put up Flower Stalks WHILE they were GROWING ROOTS in Mugs of Tap water!!!!! I'll have a 10 inch plant that will be over half Flower Stalk soon! If a Cutting will bloom then YOUR Plants can Too!

CC wanted to know WHY his Plants didn't bloom. Smaller Plants grow more Slowly: My Plants in the Yard are TREES in 20 - 24 inch pots and are Growing very Fast. There will be a Cascade of Flowers on Almost a Dozen Plants out there soon. HIS were only 3 Weeks behind mine because his are Smaller than Mine: that is all. I calculate any Plant 12 inches or taller that IS starting the Process now would be Able to bear fresh seeds before February.

CC: how tall is your plant(s)? Neid0 how big are yours? CC has the start of flower stalks and in a Couple of weeks may have a Surprise on his plants. After the Most of the Flower stem starts off (3 - 4 new flowers each day) blooming heavy you MAY AS WELL do the Extra Step of Pollinating while you have them. And then two weeks later when you see the seeds starting to ripen you'll do a Happy dance that you gave it a TRY. It is Fun to watch the Plant follow it's Instincts and it's genetic programming and More Fun to get ripe seeds. The Flowers smell like honeysuckle and taste like apples. Eat a freshly fallen one after you pollinate with it ..... YUM.

Carl

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Geschrieben von: AliceD Nov 9 2006, 14:17

Hi!

Today i inspected my plants.... i saw many new Buds! Now there are approx. 8 buds on different plants w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png small buds, but there are buds!My biggest plant is approx. 1,80m:
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but this one was not the first which starts to bloom. The first blooming plant is about 1,30m (twisted growing), this one:

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The smallest plant which is blooming is about 60cm. Maybe the others will start to, we'll see:

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So long!

Regards!

Geschrieben von: neid0 Nov 9 2006, 14:35

mh, about 7 inches rolleyes.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 9 2006, 15:57

Wow CC!

I looked at your Pictures I AM Very Impressed.

You have the Biggest Salvia Divinorum Garden in Germany (That I know of).

You WILL Get seeds from those Plants if you Pollinate: Plants that Big I call Salvia TREES. You are VERY Fortunate!

Neid0: do streetlights get through the windows and Keep your Plants awake at night? I see your Garden looks out over the Street (YOU have a Nice garden TOO).

Your Plants ARE Big enough to want to bloom if they ONLY get Natural Light. You'll know in a Month because your plants grow slower that CCs do. If Light is getting at them at night they won't bloom.

CC: I'm all excited for you. I was thrilled last year when I tried and my Plant gave me seeds. They say I'm the First in America to grow them outdoors. But ANYONE growing indoors can get seeds when their plants bloom: you will see how easy it is for yourself.

Then YOU will be a Famous Expert too! yahoo.gif success.gif good.gif

I Am very glad for you and Hogie: I wish you both to try and get seeds.

Your Friend, Carl McCall

Geschrieben von: neid0 Nov 9 2006, 16:05

there is no light! at night, a put the savia at a nother place

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 10 2006, 14:19

Neid0: then your Plants will flower.

I know EVEN the Short Plants want to Bloom. When I cut this Branch off of the Plant on October 5th there was no Flowering AT ALL on it: it was JUST a Branch I put in a mug of water outside!
Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/acuttingbloomsd.jpg
See the roots? This was in Water 34 days and grew a Flower Stalk while it was growing roots! It was determined to Flower and it DIDN'T even have roots! Growing a Flower stalk was AS IMPORTANT as growing ROOTS to this Cutting.

Edited: (I Named this plant "Quarm" and it's growing bigger outside in a pot of dirt right now: but I think it has since changed it's mind about flowering.)

ALL you need are Plants / DARKNESS (Put in Closet at night) / and Time (Patience) and you will get Flowers.

Keep watching the ends of your Branches. Soon you should see flower signs.

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Dec 24 2006, 05:31

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Geschrieben von: AliceD Dec 24 2006, 17:45

Hey Mac,

Congratulation, they're awesome! How old are the plants now?

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Dec 24 2006, 18:27

Hi CC!

The big Plant in front of me was just a little stick I cut from my FIRST Salvia Plant on April 4th, 2005 at 1825 my time. I cut 3 Sticks that day - It was the First day I kept good records for my cuttings, too! All 3 sticks were put in separate glass mugs of tap water and left outside.

It was Later Potted in Dirt on April 24th 2005 at 1710.

So, as of the Date of that Photograph, December 22nd 2006 the Large plant in front of me was either 627 days old (If you count from when it was Removed from its mother plant) or 607 days old (If you only count from when it got put in dirt).

As of today, December 24th 2006 It has been growing in dirt outside in my yard non-stop for Exactly 20 Months. It has been an Independent plant for 629 days now.

The 2 other BIG plants were sometime in 2005: The one behind me was born on July 5th 2005 at about 1115, and the other big one was born on April 10th 2005 at about 1725. The two on the far end were born on February 4th 2006 this year.

biggrin.gif I have names for the 4 BIG Plants in the Picture. I AM in Love with my Plants and Talk to them out loud all the time.

So: I'm Crazy. crazy.gif crazy.gif crazy.gif crazy.gif I can't help it. I HAD my Pills this morning ....

Geschrieben von: AliceD Dec 24 2006, 20:40

Tell us the names wink.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Dec 24 2006, 20:59

Merry Christmas from:
Bild: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/picturefiles/68.jpg
(left to right) Henry, Carl, Calvin, Dean, Jean (It WAS "J7" but it got Named this morning), and Jack.

Hi Also from (Not Shown):
Rory, Edgar, Isabel, Iggy, Kate, Kathy, Jacque, Jules, Caleb, Quarm and a few more with just Series Designators on their pots that haven't taken names yet ....

You know: you can see my 'baby pictures' of Calvin & Dean over a year ago as 'just little sticks' (on the wall in 8" green pots: from Picture #13 onward), on my Garden Page -
http://members.cox.net/thegarden along with Pictures of Some of the Ones named above but not shown ....

Carl



PS Carl is the one with LEGS .... biggrin.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Jan 26 2007, 05:56

Well, My Garden is not as Happy as it was Last year but my Friend JUPE in Santa Barbara has done it TOO, Now!
Would you PLEASE Join me in Celebrating the Magnificent Achievement of JUPE this Year?

As it says on my Research Web Page http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/ :

QUOTE
January 20th, 2007: My Buddy Jupe in Santa Barbara sent his Seeds to the http://sagewisdom.org where Mr. Siebert CONFIRMED That he HAS Grown Genuine Salvia Divinorum Seeds out of Doors in an Area that Gets Frost!

Mr. Siebert Kindly took some NICE Pictures and sent them to Jupe.
Bild: http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/seedsbyjupe.jpg
A few Seeds got Smashed: but THESE are Genuine FRESH Salvia Divinorum Seeds! I did it Last year: but this Man has Done MUCH Better than me THIS YEAR! It is Proven beyond any reasonable Doubt that Salvia Divinorum IS Self Fertile: and that you can EXPECT 'a few' Viable Seeds to result from hand Pollination of your Salvia Plant's Flowers! I'm Just as Stoked as If MY trees gave me seeds this Year: You can See for yourself that Mr Valdés, and my, Results HAVE been Duplicated ...


Everyone considered me an 'expert' last year when I showed up with some Salvia Seeds I had gotten from my Garden. But Jupe is an Expert Gardener, and HAS Proved that Anyone can get Salvia Divinorum Seeds!


JUPE Said he WOULD follow my Growing Guide and try for ONE Seed. I AM so VERY Proud of my dear Friend!

So, if EVER you get FLOWERS then you COULD get Seeds! Seeds are now know to be able to set at lower temperatures than thought before ...

Carl

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Apr 6 2007, 19:29

You would like to see this picture of a salvia divinorum tree growing in a big flower pot in my Backyard.

Bild: http://members.cox.net/thegarden/picturefiles/69.jpg

That photograph was taken April 4th. It is in the biggest flower pot I can find. (24" across/deep).

I need a ladder to work on the tree top now. w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png w00t.png

That tree is 2 years old.

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Geschrieben von: Dingo Apr 6 2007, 20:32

Congratulations. Your plants are amazing.
I have never see such a giant Salvia Plant.

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Geschrieben von: Mangokatze Apr 6 2007, 23:29

Woooooow this tree is really breathtaking w00t.png
I think you don't have one green thumb...You have whole green hands mrgreen.gif
Holy wishes for your plants and you bye.gif

Geschrieben von: gosvami Apr 13 2007, 22:54

the plants benefited from the love you give them...

i hope, my babysalvia feels all right in the conditions, that i can give her...
how many hours pro day should i give her direkt sunlight?
most people say salvia don't need more than 2 or 3 hours direkt sunlight for best growingresults. what are your experiences?

did this plant, that you posted here, arised in the shadow???

greetings

Geschrieben von: Faber May 12 2007, 21:40

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Apr 6 2007, 19:29)
...That tree is 2 years old...


I though this plant is older blink.gif

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac May 13 2007, 05:18

Salvia divinorum is a Tropical rain forest plant. Here in San Diego, California even one hour of direct sunlight a day does long term damage to the plant. In Mexico the natives plant Salvia under their Coffee Trees. Shade most of the day is what Salvia wants.

In Germany an Hour or two of sun may be OK, per day.

I took new pictures of SOME of my Plants today. ALL the Plants on the North side of my house are not in this Picture. Here is me peeking through my Biggest Plant:
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070512carlandcalvin.jpg

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Here the Baby plant I hold has some of its leaves larger than my hands:
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070512calvinandcarl.jpg

I wish you all happy growing ...

Geschrieben von: sia May 13 2007, 14:53

seriously, your plants are amazing... i always chop my plants into smaller ones or rip off all the leaves before they even get around 3 oder 4 feet tall wink.gif
I think the biggest problem is that all the big and bushy plants i have get infected by pests like aphids and stuff and i can't kill em all when they have so many places to hide...

i keep em short and simple bye.gif

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ May 13 2007, 05:18)
In Germany an Hour or two of sun may be OK, per day.
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If I put them outside end of march they're able to stand all the sun in the summer... however if i forget to put em outside while the sun is still weak, they'll get burned badly when I put em outside in mid-summer. :/

Geschrieben von: Mintmagician May 20 2007, 12:19

I love your plants. I'd call that a bloody Salvia tree^^.
At the moment I've got two of my plants outdoors
the whole day and one indoors. They are all grwoing great
(but they are baby plants yet and compared to yours they
are ridiculous.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Jun 17 2007, 01:43

QUOTE(CC @ Dec 24 2006, 09:45)
Hey Mac,

Congratulation, they're awesome! How old are the plants now?

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Hi CC!
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A garden picture update for you to look at.


The Big Plant in this Picture is 25 and a half Months Old Now.
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/20070613largestsalviadivinorumtreeincaptivity.jpg

He is surrounded by 2 foot high plants so you cannot see the tree for the Forest ... mrgreen.gif

This 'baby' plant was barely 4 months old when I named her "Sally" and gave her a 10" pot (And Measured her):

Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070524sallyis26inches.jpg
She was 26 inches high (66 cm) and she had a Lovely leaf a foot long (30 cm) ...

Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070524footlongleaf.jpg
These two pictures were taken May 24th 2007.



3 Weeks later (June 13th - 3 days ago) I measured "Sally" again.

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Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/20070613sallyis41inches.jpg

The SAME PLANT (The one on the left with measuring tape against it) 3 weeks Later is now 41 Inches tall (105 cm)!

And she has even bigger leaves now at (34 cm) thirteen inches:
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/20070613leaf13incheslong.jpg

In 21 days this plant grew fifteen inches! mrgreen.gif That is ALMOST 2 centimeters (Or 2/3 Inch) PER DAY!!!!

NOW I know for SURE that my plants DO grow from a quarter to a half an inch a day and it's NOT my imagination! I measured the one that was trying to get away: it was growing so fast ...

I can't stop them from Growing! In another month or two I'll put another picture up for you all to drool over ... mrgreen.gif


Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070531giveawaymaster01.jpg
I will drown in Salvia plants soon unless I can give most of them away.
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200705/20070531giveawaymaster01a.jpg


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SalviaD_Alliance/message/22410
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SalviaD_Alliance/message/22409

I cannot ship them to a foreign country because I cannot deal with the customs/Export prohibitions.

But if you have a relative living in USA maybe they will get 3 BIG Growing Plants in a box from me and unpack them: a week later THEY can pack them up again and Ship you Big, fast growing, healthy Salvia plants (to Germany).

Happy summer Salvia growing everybody!

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Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Jun 30 2007, 05:00

QUOTE(Mangokatze @ Apr 6 2007, 15:29)
Woooooow this tree is really breathtaking  w00t.png
I think you don't have one green thumb...You have whole green hands  mrgreen.gif
Holy wishes for your plants and you  bye.gif
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I think you are right. Today I looked around at the plants, that aren't Salvia, growing in my Garden and ALL of them are Growing VERY Strong! All of the OTHER kinds of plants are growing super big and super fast also, Right NOW!

Every plant has gotten VERY Large! (The peppermint, mrgreen.gif
The elephants ears: I was just teasing the elephants ears a few minutes ago mrgreen.gif mrgreen.gif by saying I was going to use one of the leaves as an umbrella!) mrgreen.gif mrgreen.gif
I think I know what my secret is (Besides dosing everything once a month with Miracle-Gro) - I TALK to my Plants!

I ask if there is anything they would like, in that high pitched 'baby talk' voice you save for cherished Companion Animals or infants, and I ACTUALLY Pause as if to hear an answer from them.

I Am starting to think they answer me by growing FASTER! When I get 18 cuttings the leftover pile of leaves taken off them is HUGE:
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/20070618quidknee.jpg

And Look at all the 2 foot tall "Baby Plants" in THIS Photograph:
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/june18babies.gif

I'm holding a very branchy baby in THIS Picture: branches are going every which way ...
Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200706/20070613eastsidegang.jpg

So I'm starting to think that TALKING to Your Plants makes them grow faster! I get an Impression of what it is they want, if anything, in those pauses: I think the Salvia plants are Telepathic and are training me to "Listen in" to their minds!

It sounds really crazy. But look at my results ...

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Jul 14 2007, 05:22

New Pictures:


Bild: http://seamac.info/cupboard/garage/garden/200707/20070712measuringbabies.gif

Note some leaves are football sized!


Carl http://sageseeds.info/tutorials

Bild: http://sageseeds.info/tutorials/peekaboo.gif

Geschrieben von: ADNA Jul 15 2007, 09:48

One question:
Do you smoke the leaves?
Or are you just growing.

(Meine Fresse ist mein Englisch schlecht^^)

FG

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Sep 18 2007, 16:48

QUOTE(ADNA @ Jul 15 2007, 01:48)
One question:
Do you smoke the leaves?
Or are you just growing.

(Meine Fresse ist mein Englisch schlecht^^)

FG
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I used to smoke them: now I use "Purple Sticky Salvia" brand extracts (their strongest ones) and just enjoy talking to the plants and growing them.

These plants are not afraid I'm going to come along and just pick something off of them ... They know I will ask, first, with tears in my eyes, if I may have a piece of them.

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I am very resistant to Salvia's effects ... but yet I fell under her spell.

Geschrieben von: T0bias Sep 18 2007, 17:41

Their strongest ones... if i understand in the right way, is ist a extract with 160mg per gram leafes? the one for $52.99 - $96.99? isn't that kind of kind of really strong?

Geschrieben von: Dingo Sep 18 2007, 22:26

Hi Mac. I see that you have found the size Button. I`m so happy to see your Posts in the way that is characteristical for you.
----To write in Blue use the -farbe Button, that means color. ----



QUOTE(T0bias)
Their strongest ones... if i understand in the right way, is ist a extract with 160mg per gram leafes? the one for $52.99 - $96.99? isn't that kind of kind of really strong?


If this Extract has 160 mg/g it is a 64x Extract in our German System. Thats hard core.

But I don`t understand the description on purplestickysalvia.com.

QUOTE(purplestickysalvia)
160 AtomiX Salvia Extract
ITEM NO. SAL160
Purple Sticky's 160 AtomiX Salvia Extract!!!This is a standardized extract of salvia divinorum. There is 160mg of pure Salvinorum-A in this package


They offer 1/2g and 1g packages. If the 160mg is in the 1/2g package, then it will be a 128x Extract and this is sick. russian_roulette.gif

QUOTE(Mac)
I am very resistant to Salvia's effects ... but yet I fell under her spell.

Unbelievable, the best and most famous Sally Grower in the world is resistant to the Sally effects. What an irony. huh.gif

I need 0,8g of dry leaves to beam me up into a situation out of time and space.

I think that you are an excellent expert in SD and so its needless to discuss the "beginner Problem" here with you, but anyway. How do you smoke your Sally?
I know from Youtube and other sites that in USA a lot of People smoke Sally with a cheap Crack Pipe. That does not work. Only a good Bong will beam you into the Delta quadrant.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Sep 19 2007, 03:16

QUOTE(Dingo @ Sep 18 2007, 14:26)
Hi Mac. I see that you have found the size Button. I`m so happy to see your Posts in the way that is characteristical for you.
----To write in Blue use the -farbe Button, that means color. ----

I know: I'm just not in my blue period anymore (even this font is colored "Navy Blue", see?) ... and the fact that I'm posting in this style across forums only means my madness is spreading and getting worse!


QUOTE(T0bias)
Their strongest ones... if i understand in the right way, is ist a extract with 160mg per gram leafes? the one for $52.99 - $96.99? isn't that kind of kind of really strong?


If this Extract has 160 mg/g it is a 64x Extract in our German System. Thats hard core.

But I don`t understand the description on purplestickysalvia.com.

QUOTE(purplestickysalvia)
160 AtomiX Salvia Extract
ITEM NO. SAL160
Purple Sticky's 160 AtomiX Salvia Extract!!!This is a standardized extract of salvia divinorum. There is 160mg of pure Salvinorum-A in this package


They offer 1/2g and 1g packages. If the 160mg is in the 1/2g package, then it will be a 128x Extract and this is sick. russian_roulette.gif
No: I buy a half a gram of 160 Mg/Gm so I only get 80 Mg in one little box. (I get it at a big discount: I guess I'm well liked!) Yeah, It's wicked stuff! mrgreen.gif Even I feel it ...

QUOTE(Mac)
I am very resistant to Salvia's effects ... but yet I fell under her spell.

Unbelievable, the best and most famous Sally Grower in the world is resistant to the Sally effects. What an irony. huh.gif
You said it! It's disgusting, that's what it is!
Sometimes I feel that I'll never get beamed up ... Bild: http://www.salvia-community.net/style_images/1/folder_post_icons/icon12.gif


I need 0,8g of dry leaves to beam me up into a situation out of time and space.

I think that you are an excellent expert in SD and so its needless to discuss the "beginner Problem" here with you, but anyway. How do you smoke your Sally?
I know from Youtube and other sites that in USA a lot of People smoke Sally with a cheap Crack Pipe. That does not work. Only a good Bong will beam you into the Delta quadrant.
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I have a bong - but for 40X (64X your scale) I use a regular metal and wood pipe with a screen in the bowl.

Suppose I don't feel like using any of the fonts or colors on your lists? What should I do then?

Oh, Wait ... None of the fonts or colors I used are ON your lists! At least, not on Macintosh computers (with Firefox) - I don't know how this looks on Windows computers, you guys may not have the same fonts I do. laugh.gif bye.gif biggrin.gif cool.gif

Geschrieben von: Surak Sep 29 2007, 03:27

Whoa!!! This is the first time I'm having a look at this international thread of SALVIA-COMMUNITY.net, but I never would have dreamed of all this amazing information Sea Mac has provided us with. Thank you very much! smile.gif

So far I haven't yet had a look at all those sites you mentioned above, Sea Mac, but I can assure you I will as soon as possible. I never thought it might be possible to get seeds from a salvia divinorum plant at all - let alone easily, as you seem to be suggesting. ohmy.gif

Unfortunately, as some of us have told you already, strains other than Wasson-Hofmann are almost impossible to obtain here in Europe. It might be possible to find very few proud owners of Blosser-clones, but that might be all we could ever have to offer to add to the genetic pool of the Wasson-Hofmann.

w00t.png Those salvia-trees of yours are truely amazing. I never thought something like that existed anywhere in the world. I understand you live in a climate without frost in winter? Lucky you! king.gif

Do not worry too much about that language barrier, because most Germans speak English anyway. (Well - more or less, as you must have found out already...)
Besides, I used to be an English teacher and I am glad to offer my humble services in any cases of severe communicative difficulties, so do not hesitate to contact me. (It may take me a while to reply sometimes though, but sooner or later I always will.) bye.gif

I must admit I am very interested in obtaining some of those seeds they are offering on that website, but I suppose it might be difficult to figure out working and affordable shipping and payment conditions for us here in Germany? (We tend to pay for things by bank transfer or cash; credit cards are rather uncommon here, you know?)

Well, I just came across this thread because I wasn't able to sleep this night, but now it is a quarter past four here in Germany and I am definitely going to bed now.

So bye for now and best wishes,

Surak

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Sep 30 2007, 00:57

QUOTE(Surak @ Sep 28 2007, 19:27)
Whoa!!! This is the first time I'm having a look at this international thread of SALVIA-COMMUNITY.net, but I never would have dreamed of all this amazing information Sea Mac has provided us with. Thank you very much! smile.gif

You are Welcome. I'm glad I could be of service.  

So far I haven't yet had a look at all those sites you mentioned above, Sea Mac, but I can assure you I will as soon as possible. I never thought it might be possible to get seeds from a salvia divinorum plant at all - let alone easily, as you seem to be suggesting.  ohmy.gif

Everyone that I have heard of hand pollinating has gotten some seeds. Mr. Valdes, Myself, and "Jupe" are the only 3 people I've heard of that hand pollinated.  Mr. Valdes got his in 1980  http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes87.html (Figure 3) - I got seeds easily in 2006, and Jupe got his in 2007 following my online guide.  http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/  

Unfortunately, as some of us have told you already, strains other than Wasson-Hofmann are almost impossible to obtain here in Europe. It might be possible to find very few proud owners of Blosser-clones, but that might be all we could ever have to offer to add to the genetic pool of the Wasson-Hofmann.

I have 2 new Strains in my Garden now: http://www.salviasource.org/forum/index.php?topic=683.0  These are cuttings from seed raised plants (http://sagewisdom.org in Malibu grew them).   

w00t.png Those salvia-trees of yours are truely amazing. I never thought something like that existed anywhere in the world. I understand you live in a climate without frost in winter? Lucky you!  king.gif

Yes: San Diego is warm enough that Salvia can be grown outdoors all year around.  

Do not worry too much about that language barrier, because most Germans speak English anyway. (Well - more or less, as you must have found out already...)
Besides, I used to be an English teacher and I am glad to offer my humble services in any cases of severe communicative difficulties, so do not hesitate to contact me. (It may take me a while to reply sometimes though, but sooner or later I always will.)  bye.gif

I must admit I am very interested in obtaining some of those seeds they are offering on that website, but I suppose it might be difficult to figure out working and affordable shipping and payment conditions for us here in Germany? (We tend to pay for things by bank transfer or cash; credit cards are rather uncommon here, you know?)  Sorry: no Seeds are available.  

Well, I just came across this thread because I wasn't able to sleep this night, but now it is a quarter past four here in Germany and I am definitely going to bed now.

So bye for now and best wishes,

Surak
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Geschrieben von: mizuno Oct 25 2007, 17:42

QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Sep 18 2007, 16:48)
I used to smoke them: now I use "Purple Sticky Salvia" brand extracts (their strongest ones) and just enjoy talking to the plants and growing them.



I have heard a lot of negative responses about "Purple Sticky". They claim that their extract is stronger than it really is, and is way overpriced. Perhaps you should try some other brand, and see how they compare?

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 25 2007, 23:42

QUOTE(mizuno @ Oct 25 2007, 09:42)
QUOTE(Sea Mac @ Sep 18 2007, 16:48)

I used to smoke them: now I use "Purple Sticky Salvia" brand extracts (their strongest ones) and just enjoy talking to the plants and growing them.



I have heard a lot of negative responses about "Purple Sticky". They claim that their extract is stronger than it really is, and is way overpriced. Perhaps you should try some other brand, and see how they compare?
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Bear in mind that the only thing that degrades Salvinorin A is Ultraviolet {UV} light. Any company that knows about this packs their product in UV Light proof containers (or light proof containers period). Hence the rich violet box of "Purple Sticky" (PSS for Short) gives them a shelf life of DECADES for their products. The ONLY people I, Personally, have heard bitching about PSS have been their competitors!

The following brands of Extracts are not as good in quality as their equivalent Purple Sticky strengths (In Mg/G of Salvinorin A):

Holy Smoke / Mazatec Gardens / I-am-shaman / Salvia Buyers Club / and Salvia Supply* : I know because I have personally tested (at least) these brands in the last 3 1/2 years.

*Salvia Supply 20X standardized is just about as good as PSS 20X standardized. (And you thought PSS was overpriced!) And when I found out they wanted $40 a gram for SHIPPING (PLUS whatever ridiculous rate they are charging now for 20X ... ) - I told them to stick it where the sun doesn't shine! Really! Because they use clear plastic baggies and no overwrap and the typical shelf life on the counter in the head shop is months (if that) ...

And I've tried a couple of different brands of Tinctures and I Like Daniel Siebert's "Sage Goddess Emerald Essence" the best. (In an UV Light proof bottle, of course)

I would buy Salvia again from "PSS", 4 Winds Botanicals, Daniel Siebert, I-AM-Shaman, and Mazatec Gardens without hesitation.

Very good quality and customer service, all.

If you see Salvia packaged in clear packaging they just don't care. After the head shop owners (Or you) buy it the degrading potency is YOUR problem.

(And Purple Sticky is STILL My Favorite after 3 1/2 years ... )

Geschrieben von: Dingo Oct 26 2007, 00:10

QUOTE(Sea Mac)
Bear in mind that the only thing that degrades Salvinorin A is Ultraviolet {UV} light.


really?
I have never heard some thing about this. I thought that Salvorin A is indestructible. I have Leaves here in an Envelope since Years and they are as potent as on the first day and Paper is not the best UV protection.

Oftopic

There are big Fires in California especially near San Diego. Do you have Problems or are you in danger?

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 26 2007, 00:17

QUOTE(Dingo @ Oct 25 2007, 16:10)
QUOTE(Sea Mac)
Bear in mind that the only thing that degrades Salvinorin A is Ultraviolet {UV} light.


really?
I have never heard some thing about this. I thought that Salvorin A is indestructible. I have Leaves here in an Envelope since Years and they are as potent as on the first day and Paper is not the best UV protection.

Oftopic

There are big Fires in California especially near San Diego. Do you have Problems or are you in danger?
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Yeah, except for UV light Salvinorin A IS Indestructible ... leaves stored in a dark drawer or cupboard will last forever.

Thank you for asking ...

I'm in no danger and neither is Jupe or Daniel Siebert. But the Air is Very bad ... I hear my jungle of plants coughing out there ... mrgreen.gif

And Jupe reported dry black snow ... sick.png

Geschrieben von: Glassmoon Oct 26 2007, 00:45

I still ask myself why you don't make extracts yourself ... just solving some extracted black wax (or even cleaning it further) into grain alcohol to produce a tincture for example. There are a few guys on this board making their extracts without too much effort ... with the fantastic growth of your plants you wouldn't even need to pick anything off them but the leaves they drop anyway, and you'd still be left with (very) much more than you need.

I'm glad to hear that you and your Salvias are not endangered by the fires raging near you right now smile.gif


Glass

btw. your plants are just amazing, I don't know how many hours I spent sitting in front of your pictures laugh.gif

Geschrieben von: Dingo Oct 26 2007, 00:57

You must have a very green thumb when you can hear your Plants coughing.

Good to read that you (and the others) are ok. These Fires seems to be a giant
catastrophe. And now George B promised unbureaucratic assistance.

dizzy.png

Remember Katrina.

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Oct 26 2007, 01:16

QUOTE(Glassmoon @ Oct 25 2007, 16:45)
I still ask myself why you don't make extracts yourself ... just solving some extracted black wax (or even cleaning it further) into grain alcohol to produce a tincture for example. There are a few guys on this board making their extracts without too much effort ... with the fantastic growth of your plants you wouldn't even need to pick anything off them but the leaves they drop anyway, and you'd still be left with (very) much more than you need.

I'm glad to hear that you and your Salvias are not endangered by the fires raging near you right now smile.gif


Glass

btw. your plants are just amazing, I don't know how many hours I spent sitting in front of your pictures  laugh.gif
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I'll get around to it ... I have a LOT of bugs on the Salvia leaf that falls and I'm wondering what percent of Spider mites might be extracted along with the Salvinorin A.

I don't fancy insect chitin with my Salvinorin A ...

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And many of the largest plants have been treated with STRONG Systemic Pesticides against beetle grubs: I consider ALL Those leaves as POISONOUS ... so I can't just rake up the inches of leaves under the forest and extract them ...

If there is a leaf on the ground in the middle of a circle of 3 potted plants and two of those plants took poison: should I trust that leaf fell from the one plant it is safe to smoke the leaves of?

Will the Pesticide residues also go with the solvent of choice?

No, I think ALL the hundreds of ignored leaves on the ground right now should be swept up and composted ... or trashed. Can't trust 'em ...

Well, be prepared to feast your eyes: My BIG Plants are all going to bloom for me and It's time to take many more interesting and informative photographs of this special time of year.

This means lots of new photographs ...

It's been a few weeks.

They didn't stop growing.

Sally and Sammy are over 8 feet tall now!

Here:
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Sammy is way out of my reach! He was born on Jan. 31st 2007 and 8 months later (Feb. - Sept.) needs repotting.

I'm dwarfed by large healthy Salvia shrubs!
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Calvin grew into the tarp over him and got broken. There is a branch leaning against the wall up there and he's going for the gap between the tarp and the wall! He plans to colonize the roof area "Above the Jungle Canopy" with dozens of branches!

Sammy got bigger:

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And bigger:

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AND BIGGER ... (Flower spikes start!)

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Sneaky GIANT Plants!

Pictures to make your eyes water on their way ... Just wait awhile ....

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 22 2007, 18:03

My Grow your Seeds web page got updated: you can even subscribe to updates!

I haven't hand pollinated yet. These birds are busy doing it for me:

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And I saw the results starting up the other day:
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Looks like the hummingbird got Isabel 'knocked up' with just his tongue ... tongue.gif

If you guys have flowers now: you can HAND Pollinate them. Salvia sets seeds!

http://www.sagewisdom.org/valdes87.html See? Even HE got some (in the greenhouse)!


http://sageseeds.info/seeds2007/20071115hummingbird.jpg Is Too big to post ...

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Nov 29 2007, 21:38

I Haven't hand pollinated any flowers this year.

The Anna's Hummingbird has been doing it regularly FOR Me.

Right after the flower falls out you will notice little green specks in the Calyx.
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A couple of weeks later, if the seeds are ripening, you'll see this:
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Look Closely:
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A RARE Photograph of 'green' Salvia Seeds ripening in the Calyx ...

NOW You know what to look for on the plant.

Happy Gardening ...

Geschrieben von: hogie Nov 29 2007, 21:46

Very nice pictures! w00t.png

Geschrieben von: Tea For One Nov 29 2007, 21:53

Wow, respect!

Thank you for these pics, they ARE rare. w00t.png I've never seen something like this before...

Good luck...

mfg
Tea For One

Geschrieben von: Glassmoon Nov 30 2007, 01:02

CURSE YOU!!!

No, it's just great, I adore your plants since I saw these pictures for the first time. Mine are growing about 1cm a month at best right now, german fall and winter don't seem to offer the best lighting conditions ^^

I'd just love to have your «Pollinators». Your pictures make me yearn for them, with no chance for them ever to come by, hehe ... I guess i have to keep watching the lady bugs plague in my appartment, it has some entertainment value as well wink.gif


Glass

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Dec 2 2007, 04:09

QUOTE(Tea For One @ Nov 29 2007, 13:53)
Wow, respect!

Thank you for these pics, they ARE rare. w00t.png I've never seen something like this before...

Good luck...

mfg
Tea For One
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You are Welcome.

Yes: these photos ARE rare. I've never seen anything this clear before: And I'm planning on buying a new Camera in a few weeks ...

You guys want to see more, right? Hey: the hand pollination guide I made is updated. http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/ It shows you photos of HOW to hand pollinate and what to look for ...

I put new photos there first ...

Geschrieben von: Sea Mac Dec 16 2007, 05:42


I updated my guide with some really good close-ups of Pollination today.

Below are just thumbnails: if you click on the link below each one you see the (half size scaled) closer look.


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http://sageseeds.info/seeds2007/20071202pollinatingh.jpg


Of course you could always subscribe to updates on my site:
http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/

I'm going out to the garden to get more photos now.

PS I also make web pages ... http://softwaresanta.com

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While I was out Pollinating this afternoon that Hummingbird I named flew right up to me!

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Twice today this same bird has flown right in front of me and looked me over!

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