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Geschrieben von: When Apr 1 2015, 16:27

Hello,

First off I wish to apologize for not putting this post in the international section as I thought more people would see it here.
I wish to show everyone pictures of my Salvia seedlings grown from seed that I hand pollinated.
I think salvia enthusiasts, no matter what language will be interested...


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Cheers! smile.gif

Geschrieben von: tkoh Apr 1 2015, 16:52

Nice work When, can you tell us more information about your technique and your success rate?
I only saw 1 or 2 ppl on the internet who had success with the seed method so congratulations biggrin.gif

Geschrieben von: When Apr 1 2015, 17:31

QUOTE(tkoh @ Apr 1 2015, 16:52)
Nice work When, can you tell us more  information about your technique and your success rate?
I only saw  1 or 2 ppl on the internet who had success with the seed method so congratulations  biggrin.gif
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Thanks tkoh,
Quickly I can tell you the mother plant was grown indoors under natural light. I propagated 2 seeds, which both sprouted. I will have time later to go into greater detail

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Geschrieben von: hogie Apr 1 2015, 18:15

Nice. Let's wait for the first salvia-typic leafs.

Geschrieben von: tranquility Apr 1 2015, 19:02

i wanted to try getting seeds...but up to now i didn´t tried

very nice work...congratulations smile.gif

Geschrieben von: GrowUp Apr 1 2015, 19:15

Awesome,
i'll follow this one.
Hope they will survive and spread over the world smile.gif

Geschrieben von: hand Apr 1 2015, 20:45

Nice. Please keep us updated.☺

Which strain is the mother plant?

Geschrieben von: When Apr 2 2015, 23:12

QUOTE(hand @ Apr 1 2015, 20:45)
Nice. Please keep us updated.☺

Which strain is the mother plant?
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Thanks everyone, I'll share info and pictures as the plants hopefully thrive.
I'm not sure which strain the mother plant is. Maybe I can get a positive identification from someone. I will post pictures later after I'm done work.

This is a short background story ...

I have recently sprouted 2 salvia Divinorum seeds obtained from hand pollination i did in the fall of 2014

She had a tough first couple of years. (The mother plant) I acquired 3, 2-3" clones which never really thrived even tho I did everything I could to get them acclimatized to a dry apartment. Frequent misting and humidity tents just resulted in disappointing growth.

They grew to about 8" when the spider mites arrived.

I tried everything from soap and water, insecticide soap, neem, a few forgotten commercial insecticides, and frequent trips to the shower to try and blast the little fuckers off.
Then after months of this, and 3 sad looking plants later I made a solution of neem and capsicum extract in a last ditch effort to eradicate. I didn't expect any favorable results but I was desperate.
After I treatment the 3 plants looked awful and near dead, but no mites!?!. I had mites on a papyrus plant in the same room and gave it the same treatment. A week later the papyrus looked fine and still no mites!

It turned out that that one spraying wiped out all the mites(they never returned) but killed 2 of 3 salvia plants with the third looking near dead, basically a greenish brown stem with a few dried up leaves.
Gave it a good soaking with water and put her in the corner to die.
Maybe it was the right time of year because something woke her up and started growing like never before!. In a room with low humidity and no tent with no misting she started thriving, weird I thought.
When fall came I noticed a change in the meristem, it was a flower starting reacting to the natural light period. She was never given any light at night.
I hand pollinated for a few days with the flowers that fell on the floor.

A few weeks later I notice a dark spot inside a flower...seeds!! 2 of them.
About five months go by until I decide to plant the seeds, about 12 days ago.

So here we are today
6 days since sprouting, I have 2 tiny miracles, healthy yet so fragile

They are coming along nicely and are on 24hr watch lol
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QUOTE(tranquility @ Apr 1 2015, 19:02)
i wanted to try getting seeds...but up to now i didn´t tried

very nice work...congratulations smile.gif
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I didn't think it was possible either

Flowing mother
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Mother today
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Geschrieben von: Gartenfreund Apr 3 2015, 14:11

awesome!

you don´t use natural light for the kids, do you? the perlite looks kinda burned.

Geschrieben von: GrowUp Apr 3 2015, 14:36

First things first, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with us.
I really appreciate that!

Your story sounds dramatic and is maybe the worst nightmare for the most of us.
Nice to see that this story takes an happy ending, even tho all seems lost.

It's pretty taff and unusual to get seeds from SD without any help, except pollinating them by hand. Especially in the middle of europe. For this reason i would prefer to take a plant in a chamber with artifical light. Should this ever happen, i would share it in this community.

Would you tell us on which place on earth this thing is happend?
And did you put the seeds for the time of 5 months in a refrigerator or something?




Geschrieben von: When Apr 3 2015, 22:03

QUOTE(Gartenfreund @ Apr 3 2015, 14:11)
awesome!

you don´t use natural light for the kids, do you? the perlite looks kinda burned.
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Yes, actually all they're given is natural light but no direct sun.
For the exception of 1 hour of cool sun at dawn yesterday.


QUOTE(GrowUp @ Apr 3 2015, 14:36)
First things first, thanks a lot for sharing your experience with us.
I really appreciate that!

Your story sounds dramatic and is maybe the worst nightmare for the most of us.
Nice to see that this story takes an happy ending, even tho all seems lost.

It's pretty taff and unusual to get seeds from SD without any help, except pollinating them by hand. Especially in the middle of europe. For this reason i would prefer to take a plant in a chamber with artifical light. Should this ever happen, i would share it in this community.

Would you tell us on which place on earth this thing is happend?
And did you put the seeds for the time of 5 months in a refrigerator or something?
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Sorry for being so dramatic, but I thought it would make better reading smile.gif
After my remaining salvia plant started flowering I thought I would hand pollinate some flowers even though the information I read said it wasn't possible, that made me want to try even harder.

I never used a humidity tent, chamber or artificial light, I'm not saying you shouldn't use artificial light or extra humidity, but I am just writing what worked for me to produce seeds and seedlings. The mother plant followed the natural light cycle through the seasons and was never, never ever given light at night as she was in a room with no lights so no accidental light switch was turned on.

No special storage was given to the seeds, just put in a 1"x1" zip bag and stored at room temp in the dark


This is taking place in north eastern Ontario, Canada

Geschrieben von: GrowUp Apr 3 2015, 22:51

It was a good reading!, dont have to be sorry wink.gif

I'm really interested in this topic. Can't wait to try it by myself again.
And im looking forward to read and see more from your two little fellas smile.gif

Geschrieben von: When Apr 5 2015, 06:23

Exciting news!!
One seedling is showing its first pair of true leaves.

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Geschrieben von: hand Apr 5 2015, 14:12

Nice. As yet they're looking exactly like Salvia splendens seedlings. smile.gif

Geschrieben von: When Apr 9 2015, 19:53

Day 13 pictures, they're coming along nicely. Slow but healthy smile.gif



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60x magnification of seedling leaves.

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Geschrieben von: When Apr 12 2015, 23:35

Day 16 update

The little ones are doing well, low and slow
- daytime temps 21-25c humidity 35 - 55% avg 45%
- nighttime temps 21-22c humidity 35-70% avg 60%
- natural diffused sunlight max 1000fc avg 640fc
- water given when needed, from below.
- portable humidifier turned on at night, off at dawn.

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Cheers smile.gif

Geschrieben von: tkoh Apr 19 2015, 01:59

Hey When,
they are cute biggrin.gif I read somewhere else that you named them:
Salvia Divinorum var. Sophia
Salvia Divinorum var. Sonya

keep on growing bye.gif

Geschrieben von: When Apr 19 2015, 03:38

QUOTE(tkoh @ Apr 19 2015, 01:59)
Hey When,
they are cute biggrin.gif I read somewhere else that you named them:
Salvia Divinorum var. Sophia
Salvia Divinorum var. Sonya

keep on growing  bye.gif
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Hi tkoh, thank you!
Yes that's right var. Sonya and var. Sophia, named after my love Sonya, and her European namesake Sophia. Which meaning is "wisdom". I couldn't think of 2 better names that related to our all seeing Diviners Sage any better. smile.gif

It's been over 3 weeks now since they sprouted

Day 22

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Geschrieben von: hand Apr 19 2015, 08:01

It would be interesting to see how the square stem and leaves develop. Please keep supplying us with weekly pics. wub.gif

So, how come you are growing them in the same pot as the parent plants and so close together?

Geschrieben von: When Apr 19 2015, 14:22

QUOTE(hand @ Apr 19 2015, 08:01)
It would be interesting to see how the square stem and leaves develop. Please keep supplying us with weekly pics. wub.gif

So, how come you are growing them in the same pot as the parent plants and so close together?
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Hi hand,
I was just thinking the same thing the other day about the square stems and when they'll start showing, it will be interesting and yes I will update their progress.

unsure.gif As for planting them together in that pot, I did for several reasons but mostly out of convenience. I had recently planted some rooted mother clones and there was a large open spot in the middle of the pot where there were no plants.

That's what gave me the idea to plant the seeds that I had. I thought it would be a nice open well protected place for the seeds to sprout and there would be little chance of them drying out.
That is, if they sprouted at all because I had low expectations that 1 let alone 2 of the seeds would germinate because of the research I had read about very low salvia d germination rates. I was quite shocked when I saw that both seeds had germinated!

I think it might be beneficial for the seedlings to be with their mother, maybe they know through some chemical reaction that they are where they should be, like in a safe familiar place with the same conditions and soil composition as when it was propagated. In the wild I would image the same situation, the seeds would fall from the plant and start growing under the mother plants.

My girlfriend says that some trees act that way, where the mother will protect their young saplings by ensuring the young ones water by sending out roots to them. I don't really know, but I'm not dismissing any theory right now on the conditions that may have aided in the 100% germination rate.

I won't try to separate them to risk damaging them so hopefully they will both get along until I can safely take cuttings from them smile.gif

If I knew that both would have sprouted, I may have planted them in separate pots. But then maybe I wouldn't have had the same results?

Cheers!
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Geschrieben von: hand Apr 19 2015, 18:45

You may be more right than you realize. This interesting documentary deals with this subject, among others. Although I don't think the same complex structures as in a forest apply to a flowerpot on a windowsill, there may still be some connections.


Geschrieben von: When Apr 19 2015, 20:02

QUOTE(hand @ Apr 19 2015, 18:45)
You may be more right than you realize. This interesting documentary deals with this subject, among others. Although I don't think the same complex structures as in a forest apply to a flowerpot on a windowsill, there may still be some connections.


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That was a very interesting show, I wonder if there is sibling recognition, as well as mother nurturing going on within that pot!?!

Thanks a lot for posting that video, hand. I really appreciate it. It does make me think the combination of events that occurred with the mother, seeds and seedlings is more important than first thought.

Again, great video smile.gif

Geschrieben von: When Apr 23 2015, 15:24

QUOTE(When @ Apr 19 2015, 20:02)
QUOTE(hand @ Apr 19 2015, 18:45)
You may be more right than you realize. This interesting documentary deals with this subject, among others. Although I don't think the same complex structures as in a forest apply to a flowerpot on a windowsill, there may still be some connections.


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That was a very interesting show, I wonder if there is sibling recognition, as well as mother nurturing going on within that pot!?!

Thanks a lot for posting that video, hand. I really appreciate it. It does make me think the combination of events that occurred with the mother, seeds and seedlings is more important than first thought.

Again, great video smile.gif
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Day 27 update...

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Geschrieben von: karline Apr 24 2015, 13:09

Wow, great work!
I thought this is almost impossible.
Two sprouds out of two? Perhaps we have got much more strains than we thought.

I'm very curious about the the growth.
Please keep us updated!

Regards,
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Geschrieben von: When Apr 25 2015, 16:47

QUOTE(karline @ Apr 24 2015, 13:09)
Wow, great work!
I thought this is almost impossible.
Two sprouds out of two? Perhaps we have got much more strains than we thought.

I'm very curious about the the growth.
Please keep us updated!

Regards,
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Thanks a lot ! smile.gif

Yes I was fortunate enough to get 100% germination! hopefully it's an indication of the mothers fertility.

Day 29 update...

Sophia
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Sonya
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Geschrieben von: tkoh Apr 25 2015, 18:04

Thank you When for your updates.
Salvia D. var. Sophia looks like she is building that square stem right now. Or it is just a shade?
Best Regards

Geschrieben von: hand Apr 25 2015, 19:37

With a little imagination one can see the characteristic leave shape already. smile.gif

Thank you for taking the time and posting your little project here. I already have been quite close to getting seeds myself as you can see in my http://www.salvia-community.net/Sally_1-t15676.html. You inspire me to try again quite soon. bye.gif

Geschrieben von: When May 13 2015, 20:18

QUOTE(tkoh @ Apr 25 2015, 18:04)
Thank you When for your updates.
Salvia D. var. Sophia looks like she is building that square stem right now. Or it is just a shade?
Best Regards
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Hey tkoh, I see the square stem starting on the main stem now, I'll post pictures soon.


QUOTE(hand @ Apr 25 2015, 19:37)
With a little imagination one can see the characteristic leave shape already. smile.gif

Thank you for taking the time and posting your little project here. I already have been quite close to getting seeds myself as you can see in my http://www.salvia-community.net/Sally_1-t15676.html. You inspire me to try again quite soon. bye.gif
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Hey hand,
You're very welcome, I encourage you to try for seeds. I think with more of us trying there will be more success.

I have even more good news! I have acquired more seeds but this time from another grower who hand pollinates. I have 2 more seedlings to share with everyone!

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More pictures and information to come ! smile.gif






Update for day 47...

Sonya and Sophia

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Geschrieben von: When May 19 2015, 12:29

Hello,
As I posted previously, here are pictures of my new seedlings. Un-named as of yet, but known as rc003 and rc004.


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Geschrieben von: When Jun 11 2015, 11:53

It's been a while, they have been transplanted to their own pot. smile.gif

Day 74

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Geschrieben von: Abvia Jul 2 2015, 10:06

any updates? how are they doing? wink.gif

Geschrieben von: When Jul 5 2015, 19:09

QUOTE(Abvia @ Jul 2 2015, 10:06)
any updates? how are they doing? wink.gif
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Hi, they're doing well smile.gif

Sonya is growing apart from her sister so she needs support from a toothpick, seen in the pictures

Day 100

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Geschrieben von: When Aug 18 2015, 17:27

Hi
Update on day 142
Sonya and Sophia


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Geschrieben von: hand Aug 19 2015, 19:49

Beautiful, well done! Not too long now and you will be able to take cuttings and spread the new genetics.

Geschrieben von: When Aug 19 2015, 23:36

Thanks, friend.
I have contacted Daniel Siebert concerning their genetics and names.
It is very cool that maybe one day you will be growing a var. Sophia :)

Geschrieben von: Zackorz Sep 15 2015, 19:45

QUOTE(When @ Aug 18 2015, 17:27)
Hi
Update on day 142
Sonya and Sophia


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Very nice plants.

A little bit offtopic, but do you know how many scoville the capsicum extract had?

Neem alone never did such a great job for me and i always get problems in the winter.

As a chili enthusiast i have many hot chilis and i wonder if i can make a capsicum extrakt myself :-) .

Geschrieben von: When Sep 16 2015, 00:47

QUOTE(Zackorz @ Sep 15 2015, 19:45)
QUOTE(When @ Aug 18 2015, 17:27)
Hi
Update on day 142
Sonya and Sophia


Bild: http://www.salviasource.org/images/gallery/163573.jpg
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Very nice plants.

A little bit offtopic, but do you know how many scoville the capsicum extract had?

Neem alone never did such a great job for me and i always get problems in the winter.

As a chili enthusiast i have many hot chilis and i wonder if i can make a capsicum extrakt myself :-) .
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Hi,
The extract was 5 million scoville.
I used about as much as you could scoop on a toothpick and dropped it in a 1 liter spray bottle mixture of water and neem. Shook it up and gave em hell ! biggrin.gif


Geschrieben von: Zackorz Sep 17 2015, 14:33


QUOTE

Hi,
The extract was 5 million scoville.
I used about as much as you could scoop on a toothpick and dropped it in a 1 liter spray bottle mixture of water and neem. Shook it up and gave em hell !  biggrin.gif
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Thank you, i will try to make an extract out of some chilis i dont like to eat :-)

Geschrieben von: Acinonyx Jan 30 2016, 11:48

Any new updates? smile.gif

Geschrieben von: tkoh Mar 19 2016, 16:02

Hey When,
can you show us some updates from 2016?

I found some photos from your experiment. Nice Plants!

Day 212:
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