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> Tv Tells Us Germans What Laws To Make!, Germany is about to ban salvia research!

post Feb 16 2008, 16:56
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Thank you - It is a sad state indeed!

All of your "Investigative Journalists" have been jailed or gagged so no one reports publicly about obvious visible corruption in the German Government.

Freedom of Speech is the first to go: once the people's outcries are silenced the government can do as they please!

I have great Sympathy for all of you!

Did they make Salvia Illegal?


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post Feb 17 2008, 11:20
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Did they make Salvia Illegal?


Yes, the plant but not Salvinorin A (because they can't because of UNO regulations)

There are few good journalist in mainstream media who are brave enough to get the facts right. Fortunatly, the blogging scene is constantly evolving in germany and a main force behind the grwoing but still weak civil rights movement.

Most people have no interest in defending their rights because they think it's necessary to give up their rights in order to defend terrorism. They don't understand that the state is actually terrorising it's own citizens.

Another common ploy is the "war against child pornography". This year, there was a raid in propably hundreds of private housholds. The reason: They've visited a popular porn site which contained several nude pics of young girls. But here is the kicker: Most of them did not even KNOW that there were questionable content hidden somewhere on that website or they accidently clicked and left within a couple of seconds....

The whole operation resulted in several destroyed lifes ...and yep, they did not find much questionable material AT ALL!

It's all scare tactics to controll us. Many people are also very concerned about the unemployment rate and don't have any interest not doing what they're beeing told by the authorities...just because they FEAR....they fear that things would get even worse.....

..and they simply can't accept, that germany is driving the road to facism...again.

Is a comment like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEcBjpsP1bU

even thinkable on german television?


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post Feb 24 2008, 22:45
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So sorry to hear that.
Salvia is illegal but you can import as much Salvinorin A as you like: is that right?
Pardon my rough language: but that is Simply Retarded!


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post Feb 25 2008, 01:04
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Ideas like religious freedom or freedom of speech or freedom to choose your own opinion have never been in very high esteem here in Europe, in the "old world". That is why many religious minorities have emigrated to the USA throughout its history. Nevertheless, many Germans feel comparatively safe here, as there are many structures and regulations which you can rely on - and although they make life terribly complicated and tend to diminish personal freedom in many cases, they provide a feeling of security for many - especially for those who vote for the big parties that constitute our parliament.

As far as I am concerned, I am glad that there is no such thing as capital punishment in any European state. One thing which would keep me from going to Thailand (as a case in point) would be the danger of being imprisoned and maybe even executed for having a bag of weed in my pocket or something like that. Hearing of such incidents really scares the shit out of me, to be honest...

The narcotics law here, however, is a shame and a disgrace - that's for sure! There might be U.S. states, though, which aren't any better in this respect. But thank God Germany is situated next to Holland... and the languages are very similar to one another - so if everything else fails, some of us might emigrate to Holland, which is well-known for its liberal drug policy, probably even in the U.S.?

Thank you for posting all those links concerning current salvia research. Ironically, Salvia Divinorum was recently banned here - allegedly because "current research suggests that the dangers and addictiveness of it must not be underestimated" (or words to that effect.)

So you see that our government in fact has no real interest in ANY serious research on this plant whatsoever. They just make up their own "research" - no matter if this results in little more than ridiculous fairytales of the "terrible mental and physical effects" of legal salvia divinorum. It's a sad, sad world. cwy.png

There are powerful interest groups, e.g. multinational pharmaceutical companies, which fear that plants like Salvia Divinorum might contain any substances that could show any potential to compete with any of their current or future products.

These companies have virtually unlimited financial possibilities and a great influence on Governments and so-called "drug-experts" which is a power that should not be underestimated. A possibility of patenting (and making money with) substances found in plants like cannabis and salvia is out of the question, therefore these plants are being supressed and demonized in a most successful way. I am not really surprised that this is happening - I am only surprised that it is not happening in all of the U.S. as well at the same time. Apparently your civil rights movement really does exert some influence on the government. We are constantly struggling to establish something like that here as well, but we are still taking our first baby-steps in this respect. So we really appreciate any support from you and from anyone willing to give it to us. bye.gif

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post Aug 29 2009, 02:18
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there is nothing you can do about it, we all know that ethnobotanical plants get banned from our states regularly, you just have to bear it... that these arguments against salvia come from germany is sad, but as long as we know that these plants are more than just "a drug" or "psychedelic substances" we can oppose these bastards who want to control our nature..
sry for my bad english but these words had to be spoken!
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post Sep 26 2009, 18:59
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I have realised that in germany, the only drugs that become illegal are this ones that dont kill you. Other things like Brugmansia Aurea or Mandragora Officinarum wich are able to kill, are legal and found in many grocery stores and plantshops!
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post Sep 27 2009, 09:57
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Other things like Brugmansia Aurea or Mandragora Officinarum wich are able to kill, are legal and found in many grocery stores and plantshops!

The Plants are legal as long as you dont use them as a drug.
Mescaline-Cactuses are also legal as long as...

..and heroine(illegal wink.gif) ist definetly able to kill u


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post Sep 27 2009, 10:45
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The Plants are legal as long as you dont use them as a drug.
Mescaline-Cactuses are also legal as long as...


Zwischen NSGs und Meskalin-Kakteen besteht ein Unterschied, weil NSGs keine Stoffe aus dem BtmG enthalten, Meskalin-Kakteen aber schon.
Bei NSGs ist es daher lediglich verboten, sie explizit zum Gebrauch als Droge zu verkaufen, man darf sie aber besitzen und selbst als Droge benutzen, wie man will.
Meskalin-Kakteen darf man zum Zwecke des Konsums nicht in eine Zubereitungsform bringen, der so einen Konsum leicht ermöglicht (z.B. trocknen und pulverisieren).
Trocknen und Pulverisieren ist bei NSGs komplett erlaubt.
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post Sep 27 2009, 15:55
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I just wanted to say that there's no connection between the harm a drug can produce and its status in german law(like noispheratu suggested) and that legal plants containing a drug(Brugmansia Aurea) are not allowed for selling them as one(except Tobacco).


Außerdem dachte ich die Umgangssprache sei Englisch in diesem Unterforum... tongue.gif

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post Dec 7 2012, 04:06
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Are we facing a radical turning point in entheology related legal action? smile.gif

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post Dec 7 2012, 15:12
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I hope So!

Frankly: it STILL seems very counter-productive to me to ban plants and to jail people over touching banned plants.


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post Dec 8 2012, 05:33
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There's definitely some kind of change coming up it seems. Anyone read those news saying Sean Penn is now supporting Evo Morales? huh.gif

What would the US President say if he was asked whether he could support coca decriminalzation? biggrin.gif


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post Dec 8 2012, 20:30
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  (Quoth Darph Bobo (in part):  devil.png  " ... mark my words with a red grease pencil .... ")


I believe the BIGGEST change in attitudes, overall, will come on Christmas afternoon of this Year.

I'm putting all my faith on some sort of "cosmic notice" of CHANGE.

I'll wait and See.


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post Dec 9 2012, 08:06
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Significant difference between English and Spanish vocabulary: Tuna and Tuna!

Might that have started the war on drugs? huh.gif

To stay out of trouble, always mind the difference! Example:
http://www.fagron.de/
http://www.fraron.de/

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